>> one would be to enforce the existing laws. you know, i go to gun shows, and i see lots of undocumented sales that i don't know that those are necessarily the problem. the problem is the people who are making the sales. you have an awful lot of exhibitors at gun shows that i think are violating the federal laws and they're selling more than 15 guns a year, not from their private collections, which means they have to get a federal firearms license. you've got an awful lot of unlicensed dealers out there. >> it does seem to be bordering on the wild west at some of these gun shows. a fascinating conversation. i appreciate you joining me. you come from an almost unique perspective. and i would say that for all those who think i just want to get rid of all guns in america, the story you tell of you you defended yourself and the people in the room is a very good example of where a use of a gun in america is essential to your safety. i have no issue to that. that's exactly what the second amendment is about, but i appreciate you joini